After playing a bit with evasion BLU, I decided to do some evasion math just to see the real rating of each evasion job....which mostly came from NIN v.s DNC debate long time ago.
It's basically the comparison between NIN DNC PUP BLU and THF, 5 of the top tier evasion jobs.
Note that I'm not 100% sure about whether evasion skill= evasion or not. Some say 1 evasion skill=0.5 evasion, some say 1 evasion skill=1 evasion, some say 1 evasion skill=0.9 evasion. Some say it depends on the amount of evasion you have. According to BG-wiki, 1 skill= 0.9 evasion when skill 200+, so I'll just use this formula.(Although I'm temped to use 1 skill=1 evasion, easier to calculate)
Also this is assuming everyone has same stat....I know every job doesn't, but your stats are depending on race, merits, jobs, what spells you set on BLU, and kinda difficult to measure. So I assume everyone has same amount of AGI to make it easier to math.
Also this is a naked comparison, so evasion from gear doesn't count as well. I also gonna do 2 version, one is no SJ another one is with SJ DNC(Only NIN and BLU gains evasion benefit from /DNC btw, THF PUP DNC doesn't). And assume no evasion merit is used.
Lets start from DNC:
DNC evasion skill is 376 at lv 95, which equal to 338.4 evasion, it can merit Closed position and that's evasion +15, and it has evasion bonus3 job trait which is +35. So total evasion= 338.4+15+35=388.4, I round it down to 388 to make it easier to calculate.
According to hit rate formula, Hit Rate = 75% + (Accuracy - Evasion)*0.5% + (Attacker's Level - Defender's Level)*2%. Assuming the mob you're fighting are same lv(to make it easier to calculate again), a lv 95 mob with 388 accuracy will have exact 75% hit rate on the DNC.
NIN's evasion skill is 389 which equal to 350 evasion, but doesn't have any native evasion bonus job trait, it has Kurayami which is acc-20. When fighting a mob with 388 accuracy: 75% + ((388-20)-350)x0.5%= 84%, the mob will have 84% hit rate on NIN.
You may think DNC wins over NIN, but I didn't calculate Yonin, since I can't find info about how much evasion bonus it got anywhere, the result may ended up being close to DNC. Also if NIN use DNC as SJ, it gains evasion bonusII, and ended up having 372 evasion, 368-372=-4, the mob will ended up having 73% hit rate on the NIN/DNC.
PUP's evasion skill is 370 which equal to 333 evasion, it has evasion bonus IV which is +48. So total evasion is 381.
75%+ (388-381)x0.5%= 78.5%
BLU's evasion skill is 340 which equals to 306 evasion. It can set evasion bonusI, which is +10. It also has access to auroral drape, which is acc-60 blind. It also has 2 evasion spells, one is feather barrier with evasion+20, but 30 sec down time with max recast time. Another is warm-up with evasion+10, but no down time.
BLU using feather barrier has 336 evasion total:
75%+ ((388-60)-336)x0.5%= 71%
BLU using warm-up has 326 evasion total:
75%+ ((388-60)-326)x0.5%= 74%
BLU subbing DNC(328 base evasion):
With feather barrier:
75%+ ((388-60)-348)x0.5%= 65%
With warm-up:
75%+ ((388-60)-338)x0.5%= 70%
As long as BLU is casting evasion + and acc- spells, it's actually a better evasion job than NIN and DNC.
Now compare with THF, the king of evasion jobs. THF has 396 evasion skills, which equal to 356 evasion, it also has evasion bonus job trait V, which is evasion+60. So the total evasion is 416
75%+ (388-416)x0.5%= 61%
I believe the result is THF > BLU/DNC > NIN/DNC > BLU > DNC > PUP > NIN unless I missed anything(unless Yonin actually boosts evasion a fk tone and give NIN 3%~8% more eva rate).
So yes, get your evasion set done all BLUs ._. It's an awesome set, seriously.
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Note that after I did the math it cleared a bit of stuff up.....I used to believe NIN is superior DD eva tank since they can TP in full DD gear while BLU needs to switch to evasion set to reach same evasion as NIN, now that I understand how it works maybe I can just cast Auroral drape then TP in full DD gear for more dmg while eva tanking?
ReplyDeleteThe evasion of Yonin is the same concept as its enmity boost and accuracy decrease. +30 at start, dwindling down to +5 over time.
ReplyDeleteOne big thing to add into your calculations would be, notably, accurate mob levels instead of those for "easier calculations", and parrying skill.
Now add on AGI checks to both of those.
Now compare NIN's shadow bouncing capability against the other jobs.
Now look at how much downtime BLU gets from casting those spells.
It goes without saying that THF, when done right, is the ultimate evasion tank. NIN isn't bad either, but it works on a different level. Same with BLU, which is a job designed to be a generalized job rather than a niche one--you fill the roles that are lacking in a group.
That said, there's no reason *not* to get an evasion set. Just that it might not be the priority of a BLU in a group filled to the brim with THFs and NINs, which by now most groups should be.
I know I missed the AGI info, since I couldn't find AGI info on those jobs on internet either. Unless I log on to the game and ask NINs and DNCs go naked and tell me how much AGI they have.
ReplyDeleteIf I remember correctly, I think NIN has higher AGI than DNC(I think......), that makes NIN pulls even further when comparing with DNC in terms of evasion. If Yonin really gives +30.
And some DNC told me DNC has higher evasion than NIN ages ago - -, there's no way DNC can come close to NIN/DNC from what I've seen.
As BLU v.s NIN v.s THF v.s DNC I believe it's situation thing, it's more than just eva tanking, but eva soloing as well. THF has highest evasion, but it doesn't have much utility BLU NIN DNC has. It also doesn't have self cure/shadow casting ability, when you're solo it's either SJ DNC for cure or SJ NIN for shadows, you can't get both. It also can't deal dmg unless you're meleeing the NM unlike NIN and BLU, so it's gonna have hard time with NMs with spikes. I wouldn't rate it a "good" evasion solo job.
NIN/DNC in my mind it's the best evasion solo job in most situations...good dmg, more shadows, slow/para/Migawari, very high evasion. Able to deal nuke for dmg, it's utility is just > THF and DNC.
BLU is stuck with spending a lot of time to cast spells and losing dmg, when NIN can do the same thing faster and easier. And same thing, you /DNC then no Utsu, you /NIN then no instant TP cure+ lower eva. But the fact that it can cure/stun with spells means it gains upperhand against mobs that does amnesia. It can also deal dmg without meleeing on NMs with spikes, or deal with the adds with AoE when adds pop. It also takes less magical dmg than NIN due to magic def+ spell/job trait. Compare with NIN it's even more of an utility evasion job, not as good as NIN in most situations, but has it's advantage depending on what you do.
DNC is also too similar to NIN, and doesn't have the utility NIN has(except fan dance....personally I don't believe it's a make or break JA)
As for tanking, tanking and soloing is very different. Tanking needs dmg, and utility may not be as important when there are other ppl taking care of those(although PDT/MDT is important sometimes). In theory NIN is better DD than BLU DNC THF(at least that's what I've seen) Personally I've yet to see a THF/DNC/BLU out damage a NIN when tanking stuff, so unless you need incredible PDT/MDT-, NIN is probably the best. Although BLU kinda pulls ahead in terms of PDT/MDT- area. Although ppl usually use PLD for PDT/MDT- tanking nowadays. (They also don't need to cast one million spell like BLU does to get the same thing done)
BLU as a tank is like middle ground of NIN and PLD, it can do 70~80% of what both jobs can do, but it requires more effort and casting one million spells to achieve the result, therefore it's not as popular as NIN and PLD.
And yes, I'm aware that casting one million spells on BLU just to achieve the same result is annoying ;) I've been doing this for 2+ years while playing BLU ;)))
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